they were flirting long before they ever hooked up and each knew the other was interested in them. I think all the abuse and toxicity of being with Shanann and realizing that someone else would want him and treat him well made him snap. It is the fear of being discovered, of having to change your life or give something up. Her first marriage/husband Discussion I'm interested in Shannan's first marriage. Youre right. I also think she used her physical hardships once again to play on his sympathies, sort of like a book of struggles, but he had already turned a deaf ear. On August 13, 2018, Chris strangled Shanann in their Colorado home. No one just snaps, Glenn said. Have a great time.". To her he was in the midst of a divorce, and by the time of the murders the divorce was being finalized, and so was the sale of the house. She would contact CW and NKs employer outing them and she would stir up ANY kind of shit she could even if it would be detrimental to her own children. I think if you go back and look at the Thrive video output it might correlate with when Chris began cheating posting a profile on Tinder and hooking up with Amanda McMahon either Feb. or March 2018. As early as August 8th, Shanann confided in Cassie Rosenberg and Nickole Atkinson that her husband wanted a divorce [she didnt], but not right away. That router article is amazing work Nick! In August of this year, Shanann Watts' marriage was crumbling. "It's horrific": Christopher Watts' sweetheart talks around for the first time as sentencing in Frederick murders pulls near The woman also known as authorities before Watts' arrest for murdering his girlfriend and two daughters Whenever Nichol Kessinger Just Published! No joke. This was supposed to trigger the annihilation that followed. May be she aspired to live a little beyond their means but she didnt kill anyone not does that make her evil. There was also a good heart there I can see I think because of this drive and a relentless thrusting of her family onto social media, she lost him an essentially reserved guy somewhere along the way. However, at the same time he was telling Kessinger a slightly different story. He started working out and losing weight and passing glances with Kessinger in the hallway, lunch area, etc. IDK just my two-centsit is hard to see in most families b/c not many of us post so openly about our daily lives. Part of HuffPost Crime. When you think about it it makes no sense Shanann would want to rekindle a romantic flame with Watts at Myrtle Beach then invite her parents along (and children). Only thing I can think of even though I dont think he has it in him is another girl. In November 19, 2018, Chris Watts received three consecutive life sentences for the August 2018 deaths of his pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, and their daughters, Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3. Chris Watts and Shanann Rzucek met in 2010. Remains believed to belong to their two children were. And I say this as a woman you can be controlling and its something Im always working on. Even though the family had issues before their tragic endthey filed for bankruptcy in 2015 friends and neighbors called them the "perfect" family,per The Coloradan. Odd that when her marriage to King ran into trouble her behavior exactly mirrored that of Chris in the months before the murders: Not waning to engage in conversation, shutting down, withdrawing, physically distancing herself within the home, etc. At TCRS we dont try to take anyones side, were just trying to figure out what happened. Being open and honest is the best way to prosper individually and as a couple. In that picture of CW in that dumb shirt SW had made (just her, the girls had *nothing* to do with it) and made him wear, hes showing his teeth but he does not seem happy. Christopher is now in jail facing six charges three for first-degree murder and three for tampering with evidence. He takes her side in the nutgate incident and its possible hed already made up his mind what he was going to do so he could act like he was on her side knowing it really didnt make much difference, he was going to get rid of everyone anyway. The YT video I watched as referenced above has a few parts to it that are quite informative and have helped me to fully understand both sides of this marriageand actually if you ask me, there were more than twothere were 4 CW, SW, NK and his parents (mom) were all involved in the marriage I think there were multiple influences and opinions that were making things toxic on both ends. He smothered his daughters to death, buried his wife in a shallow grave, dumped his daughters' bodies in an oil tank, then he went to work as if nothing happened. THIS IS TOTAL LEFT FIELD.. Murder is a way to save the family from the hardships, etc. "7 years ago I fell in love with you, 5 years ago I married my best friend, my soul mate, I married you!!" Not saying that is right or even completely true, I feel that this would have started whether or not SW was out of town for that long. Chris Watts is serving five life sentences plus 48 years in prison without the possibility of parole. Shanann Watts' FIRST husband: Interview excerpts Thought-provoking videos 6.44K subscribers Subscribe 401 Share 22K views 2 years ago Everyone deserves to know the Truth: That "God is Love". Shanann was 15 weeks pregnant with the couple's son when Chris strangled her to death in their bedroom. Meanwhile Chris was looking for someone else, he was just sick of her and all her BS. The pot hadnt boiled over yet. One of the jobs typically associated with psychopaths are salespeople. It is how you build one. Shanann was buried in a shallow grave, while Bella and Celeste were left submerged inside two oil tanks at the site. Strangely he could not give the exact date or year they got married. The only negative thing he had to say was that Chris was extremely quiet and that sometimes he would basically have to pry a response out of him. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. For some reason she couldnt fathom him cheating and posting stupid shit constantly about her wonderful life that was only in her head. Then he drove her body to a job site at the oil company where he worked. Heartbreaking evidence photos and video of stained shirt, underwear and bra Shanann Watts was wearing when her husband murdered her, wrapped her in a sheet and put her in shallow grave The. You are also agreeing to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. Its the underlying current of this entire tragedy. On August 13, 2018, Watts strangled his wife, Shanann, in their 4,177-square-foot home. Married 5 years and 9 months. Chris was released with pending legal proceedings after he posted $750,000 on December 1. And once she was done she cut him out of her life. She ruled EVERY aspect of their lives and he complied with it all. Yeah, she was a real gem. You spoil us with love an attention! should communicate even if it is good or bad information. Cans Natz. That is never a good sign. If so, nice of him not to say so. They had no children from their marriage together and have not communicated in over ten years he estimated. True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek, Discovery DocumentsEx husbandLeonard King. I believe he didnt divorce her earlier because he needed to find someone else to take her place. There was equity in the house but they didnt exactly buy low. Need help? He knew his new woman wasnt going to stand for him shelling out half his income in child support, no way. They were also due in court just weeks after the murders because their homeowner's association sued. I think ur right with all this. Height [1]IMDb jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_2575_1_1').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_2575_1_1', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], });: 5 5. This is the full timeline of his murder case, complete with phone records, texts . In November 2017, Shanann posted a video to her Facebook pageto celebrate their anniversary. In April 2013, Shanann and Chris moved with her family to Frederic, Colorado, and bought a five-bedroom, four-bathroom house at 2825 Saratoga Trail on a loan of $392,709. @Strawheart, how do you know she didnt kill the little girls? Ive watched hundreds of hours of videos and read all the discovery on this case and I think some of what you write may be true but not all. On November 3, 2012, Chris and Shanann got married in the Mecklenberg County of North Carolina. ! she texted, adding, He said we are not compatible anymore! Often that doesnt come across very popular, and some people dont like what they hear. Amy Miller, executive director of Violence Free Colorado, said people who are being abused by an intimate partner often behave in ways that seem counterintuitive to those around them. Even though the. Shanann Watts Brother Always Worried About Her and the Girls But Couldnt Protect Them, Days Before Murder, Chris Watts' Wife Shanann Was Worried: 'What If He Really Doesn't Love Me Anymore? But wasnt he eligible for the GI Bill hmmmmm? The first time Chris attempted to murder his two children, Shanann was still alive. But what made it so difficult to interrupt the happy family fairy tale? I agree with your points. Having someone listen to him was a total shock to him. I dont know if Shanann could have acclamated herself to a different lifestyle, honestly I guess well never know. If Shanann was a horrible person to some it doesnt mean she killed her children when so much premeditation seems to be at hand. They met in 2010 through mutual friends and married in November 2012. Why kill them? Separation comes up 38 times in the discovery, and 8 times [separate or separating] in the CBI Report. We also know that in the weeks prior Shanann was setting her husband up in her Thrive spiels as a great father and perfect husband and the best thing that has ever happened to her. It was reported that she made $80,000 a year. If Shanann was a horrible person to some it doesn't mean she killed her children when so much premeditation seems to be at hand. We also know there was a lot of anger and bitterness, especially from Shananns side, over Nut Gate. It seemed like Shannon dictated everything with the kids and he just followed orders. In 2013, the couple bought a large, five-bedroom home in Frederick, Colorado prior to the birth of their first daughter, Bella. At some point she was finished with the relationship and iced him out. I dont think he seems like much of the lovey-dovey father/husband type. In his eyes they had to go all of them and I believe he thought about murdering them as soon as he got a taste of freedom. The fact that Shanann was talking to a divorce lawyer about custody in April, three-and-a-half months before the murders, suggests there was a protracted period of unhappiness, and acknowledgement from both sides that things were falling apart. At all. This is not necessarily true, but it could be true. I am the louder, extroverted one in my marriage and my husband is the quieter, more agreeable type. Then he met and married Shannan and did whatever she told him to do. Chris is an introvert. Once there, he smothered the girls and dumped the bodies of all three. Psychoanalyse the hell out of it and for those who believe he was in a mentally abusive relationship, have your say but the fact remains that he murdered his children. There is content out there that confirms not only did Shanann know a split was on the cards, but her own family did too. Chris told Shanann he wanted a divorce a few hours later. I dont buy him snapping, as you mentioned on a previous post, after Shanann threatened him with never seeing his kids again. In June 2018, Shanann told her husband she was pregnant with their third child. We may never know, but amateur sleuths may want to look at a timeline of their marriage for clues. They met in 2010 through mutual friends and married in November 2012. But I could be wrong. They were a family. In Shananns mind she may have convinced herself it all had to do with the nut argument with his parents, then at the end of her life she may have gotten the message that he was cheating, but way way before that. There was never an investigation in the case, therefore its impossible to know who killed Shanann or the little girls. Many have called him a monster, a psychopath, or just pure evil. That is a comment that should never have been said; parenthood is exhausting and social media never forgives human missteps. LEONARD's current wife, dabbled in Thrive, which was the same employment as SHANANN WATTS. This baby in my belly deserves his full love, she texted her friend, who had advised her to go through Chris phone for signs of infidelity. On June 11 . At a later hearing, the bail was set at $5 million, and Chris was required to put down 15% to be released. Shanann thought or hoped the marriage was stuttering slightly. A lot of people seem to side with Shanann because shes the victim. Both native to North Carolina, they married in Mecklenberg County, North Carolina in 2012. That was definitely the plan." I think he was confused and didnt want to make a strong decision either way, yet wanted out of his marriage and family life. I couldnt imagine a better man for us. Chris did a lot to help around the house yes he was the father of the family. [2]The Denver Post jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_2575_1_2').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_2575_1_2', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], }); Watts Murder Case Being Discussed on Dr. Oz Show. And they were his children too, not just shannons. Shan'ann thought - or hoped - the marriage was stuttering slightly. During the investigation, Shananns purse containing her phone and keys, her car in the garage, and her wedding ring on the couples bed were found. IMO they were talking divorce/separation for quite some time, possibly a year. After all, it's not hard to see why people thought that. You put up with 3 impatient, demanding women in the house, she wrote on, after she sent him a photo of her ultrasound; he replied that he loved the little peanut already. Chris Watts opened up about the many cracks in his marriage shortly after being sentenced to life in prison without parole for murdering his family. According to their bankruptcy documents, they made a combined $100,000 and had a mortgage payment of $3,000 per month on their $400,000 home. He had policies on his kids and wife. Shanann Watts appeared to be fighting for her marriage up until she was murdered by her husband Chris Watts.. Just a couple of weeks after the first trailer for American Murder: The Family Next . But even most narcissistic sociopaths dont strangle people. Hes a fucking psychopath. He never ever portrayed anything when it came to those poor little girls. Thanks Holly, for spending some time thinking and sharing your thoughts on these questions. I think it had more to do with her controlling ways and if she knew in her heart that was why he was becoming distant or non-communicative, she really didnt know how to change that about herself, and instead amped it up until co-existing with her became unbearable to him. The kids were told to throw chicken nuggets at him. When it comes to Familicide, it is really hard to pinpoint and say there were absolutely no outward signs I do think CW appeared to be very standoffish and distant in the last videos of them on the trip. So I do wonder did Shanann ever really acknowledge why Chris may have been unhappy? She started working as a human resource specialist at Childrens Hospital Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus, Aurora in 2013. #ChrisWatts, A post shared by Nick van der Leek (@nickvdleek) on Jun 7, 2019 at 8:30am PDT. We dont know whether there had been violence during their marriage, but it would not be surprising that Shanann tried to project a positive image to her friends and colleagues, both on and off of social media.. Reportedly, the documentary consists of the archival footage of the case with no narration or enactment; it also includes social media posts, law enforcement recordings, text messages, and home videos. Nickole Utoft Atkinson, Friend, and Colleague of Shanann Watts. An officer arrived at about 1:40 pm to conduct a welfare check and had a discussion with Chris regarding the ways to locate his missing family. August 22, 2018 / 3:26 PM / CBS Colorado. Have you ever broken up with someone and not felt bad about it? If we assume that she killed the children, why did he not turn her to the police and secretly dumped the bodies of his children that she killed. Was it weakness on his part or hers? Chris had already killed Shanann, four-year-old Bella and three-year-old Celeste on Monday, August 13. But one day she starts seeing subtle changes, then more physical changes, and a more assured and arrogant Chris started to emerge, she knew the marriage was definitely in trouble before she got pregnant. Meanwhile Kessinger thought the marriage was over. On to your other pointsyes and no to CW being spinelesswhile he was having an affair AND it gave him his first taste of new freedom and excitement that would have quickly worn off once there wasnt a secret to keep/hide. Shanann and Chris jointly filed for a chapter 7 bankruptcy in Colorado Federal Court in June 2015. He pleaded guilty on November 9, and his death penalty was not put forward on Shananns familys request as a part of the plea deal. Yes . If she was (if she was making $80K a year) she would have to end up paying him child support. The final minute of the video posted at this link [an extended version of the clip above] is very insightful in this regard. "Chris these have been the best years of my life! Chris Watts is a textbook Malignant-Covert Somatic Narcissist. She was a fraud plain and simple. I think the combination of having freedom, no matter who he was with, the upcoming gender reveal, the added pressure to their financial and health woes, Shanann badgering him for not responding to or caring about her when shes in North Carolina, and then the final straw of the nut gate incident and Shanann basically demanding he cut off his family with the exact wording he should use to confront them, and adding that they wont be allowed to to see his children again nudged him towards the decision to get rid of his family who were becoming too large of a burden for him. Then you file bankruptcy and the moving truck comes and takes all the beautiful stuff you recently purchased along with your new SUV. Yes, I said former brother in law, they divorced. Why is it assumed that Shannan is controlling and that Chris hated it? Yes, there is a way to test whether bodies could be placed through the Thief Hatch with [or possibly without] breaking bones but youre not going to like it, Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW, A milder separation narrative [to Shanann]. In BENEATH THE OIL, for the first time the full extent of how Chris Watts was locked-in is revealed, as well as why he may have broken out of his deeply dysfunctional marriage the way he did. Thats bad enough in private, in a marriage, imagine what it feels like to see that on social media from your partner. By Adam Carlson Published on December 7, 2018 10:00 AM Shanann Watts' parents knew her marriage was having problems and that her husband of nearly six years, Chris Watts, had grown distant. I have been there but sometimes you have to get a reality check. They argued and he strangled her. I agree wholeheartedly that relationships/couples/etc. Shanann herself was openly discussing the prospect of divorce as early as March or April 2018, this link [an extended version of the clip above], the best thing that has ever happened to her, https://crimerocket2.com/2020/10/08/frank-rzuceks-letter-to-detective-baumhover-on-his-observations-of-chris-watts-deteriorating-relationship-with-bella-and-ceecee/. By entering your email and clicking Sign Up, you're agreeing to let us send you customized marketing messages about us and our advertising partners. This explains why he had both female AND male secret lovers. https://www.businessinsider.co.za/professions-with-the-most-psychopaths-2018-5?r=US&IR=T. He wasnt emasculated by her, thats who he was before she came along. I read a study on LIVID COERCIVE killers who are motivated by anger and rageshowing control issues (recent) and may have abusive tendencies and have issues achieving their self-worth and authority within the home. Hes wishy washy with both and leads them to believe one thing when he actually means another. Do there was financial issues going on. OK honey. Shanann Watts, the Colorado woman who was recently killed along with her two young daughters, was previously married to a man named Chris Watts. I cant come back like this. CW probably didnt believe he was good enough or thought he could do better. And we know when Shanann returned from Phoenix that night she was still hoping to woo Watts back into the marriage, hence the planned trip to Aspen the following weekend, the love letter, the self-help book and the imminent gender reveal. Taylor, "We will get together when I get home". She realized she was belittling him, and too controlling, and expressed concern to Nickole about how shje was behaving and treating people. If he was completely spineless he wouldnt have had the affair or committed the murder. Her first marriage lasted approximately the same amount of time. Daughter of Frank Rzucek and Sandra Rzucek. Shananns worries about her marriage had eaten up her confidence in Chris and their bond together. Its absolutely ludicrous and I cant wrap my mind around it. They may feel emasculated and when the marriage begins to fail, they lose control and parts of their own identitythis kind of melds into the CIVIL REPUTABLE killer when it comes to identity and it appears both CW and SW had their complete lives wrapped up in their family. However. This is a lot of the same behavior patterns people go through when they get abortions. What was their age difference if he met her while she was still in high school? On August 13, 2018, Colorado father Chris Watts murdered his pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, and their two daughters, 4-year-old Bella and 3-year-old Celeste. Shan'ann posted videos onto social media promoting selling Le-Vel's wellness supplement Thrive. Can you imagine her as a single parent? Over the summer of 2018, Chris Watts changed. In his own words: In his own words: August 13th, morning of, I went to the girls' room first, before Shanann and . I think he did use this separation or withdrawal narrative and allowed her to once again lead the conversations and try to pry and get more information for his gain and benefitthis would allow him to gaslight, manipulate, tell her what she wanted to hear. Shanann Watts was born on January 10, 1984 in Clifton, New Jersey, USA. Chris and Shanann were from small towns in North Carolina. Making the decisions. And her house that everyone is talking about? Shannon too did a lot for the family. No one has been able to fathom Chris Watts' motive - until now Two Face is available now exclusively on Amazon Kindle Unlimited. Interesting points made here. People divorce and move on with their lives. Millions of people face this everyday, I know I did. Chris Watts has been arrested and charged with murder in connection with the deaths of Shanann, Bella, and Celeste. I have thought she cheated all along as well. Its clear from a thorough analysis of all the discovery and both confessions that Watts was trying to separate from his wife in the weeks and months before the murders, going back as far as a year [close to when Kessinger allegedly made that first Google search for Shanann Watts. And yet we know while this was happening Shanann still wanted to do a gender reveal. He is also reportedly back in touch with Kessinger, who changed her name after the murders, per Daily Mail. I love Chris! she wrote. According to the lawyer, after an argument over divorce, Chris strangled Shanann to death. , but law enforcement has not publicly confirmed it. I believe he thought about murdering them as soon as he got a taste of freedom.>>>Yes. Two days later, a body believed to be Shananns was found on property owned by Christophers employer, Anadarko Petroleum. Between his mother controling him all thru his years growing up and then Shanann taking control, a person can only take so much. Wake up to the day's most important news. He probably fantasized about a different life for a while. Not a popular opinion. . According to Watts confessions, he told Shanann on the morning of the murders that he wanted a divorce separation. I agree CBH. At the time of her death, she was fifteen weeks pregnant with a son who she had named Nico Lee Watts; her date of delivery was January 31, 2019. According to Shannans ex, she had many of the same traits as Chris! lts only one way emotions and feelings. He thought he could sway this to work in his favor. I think she emasculated Chris. He has Perpetrators may control their victims using sexual, emotional, verbal, psychological, financial or digital abuse. If she hated him so much, why didnt she leave him? To me inside he was a volcano just waiting to erupt. ET. Now the Lupus posts begin. Did Chris Watts not mind his wife Shanann humiliating him on Facebook? But none of those descriptions really explain what led him to commit murder. It is something I myself have done (not proud and definitely not in the same situation of course) but I can see where things can pile up and become hard to face or tell the truth on. She could barely handle the 2 monsters she had, another on the way, and Chris did a lot around the house to help out with the girls, meanwhile she had them in school that cost them 2K per month. I get really frustrated with people who peddle multi level marketing crap and expect their friends and family to subsidize their lifestyle through buying crap they dont want. Just Published! Think before you speak. He admitted to that. If you look at his fb page, shes still on his friends list. Choosing his clothes, his meals, his everything. Photo: Facebook, Netflix Shanann was on board with getting pregnant as this would calm the household down, giving them something to look forward to, and keep him in a marriage that was sucking the life out of him. Words have devastating consequences. Thats what was so difficult to get out of. Meanwhile Kessinger thought the marriage was over. To her credit she was, and she did. Chris and Shanann had their first date August 10, 2010. Said he thought another baby would fix his feelings. Just so sad. He then dumped his children's bodies on an oil site owned by the company he worked for.